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Pete,

I have disagreed with you on the relative role of physical talent vs work ethic for individual althletic success. I do not disagree with anything you said here. You say: "my goal was to raise intensity through competition, develop drills that worked skill at game speed, and established expectations of perfection"

All the great coaches know this. You must train the brain to work under "game speed". If you practice slow, you are training your brain to move the body slowly in live competition. If you jog, you become a good jogger. If you sprint, you become a better sprinter.

I also agree that Bob Knight was one of the greatest basketball coaches ever. He gets a bad rap for his off the court (and sometimes on) antics, but at the core, Knight was an incredible *teacher* of basketball.

I often stress work ethic over physical talent because to some extent raw physical talent is not a variable, you are born with it. I used to tell my players that you cannot control how tall you are, but you can train to become stronger and faster that you are; you can train to develop better skills; you can work to be a smarter athlete.

Only 1% of the human population or less can attain the attributes to be a college athlete, and a far smaller % to become a professional athlete. Just as you cannot take someone with an IQ of 90, and expect them to become a college professor at Harvard no matter how hard they work at it; and you cannot expect a 5'7" slow and awkward athlete to play point guard in the NBA. Physical talent matters.

But among the physically talented, those who work smart and work hard are the ones who make it. And that was the real point of my posts on work ethic. It is what YOU can control, and it applies not only in sports, but to all walks of life --- music, art, academics, etc. As Knight says, success isn't a function of luck, it is a function of preparation meeting with opportunity.

Thanks for your comments on the blog.

BTW, at the height of my tennis playing career, I got the chance to play Bob Tannis (an All American from U of Georgia, who was now on the tour) in the second round. We had some close games, but he beat me easily 6-0, 6-0 in about an hour. He went on to win the tournament. The next week he lost in a US Open warm-up event in Hampton, NY to John McEnroe 6-0, 6-0. So I used to say to my friends that through the law of transitivity I am pretty sure I would have lost to John McEnroe 6-0, 6-0. So I know that talent clearly matters.

When I was still playing basketball, I also had the opportunity to play against guys who had major college careers and even a few who made it to the NBA. Again, let me tell you talent matters. One of those players is someone who I played basketball against since 6th grade. About a decade ago someone asked me, "I heard you used to play against X, did you cover him?" I originally said yes, then I rethought it and said, well I didn't really cover him, I sort of watched him blow by me at will. Talent matters and all the work ethic in the world cannot make up for some of the physical gifts that elite athletes are given.

But I also saw several individuals with physical gifts not work hard and at the end not become elite athletes. The one's who succeed and win are those who combine an amazing amount of physical talents with a serious commitment to making the most out of those physical gifts. Thus my Dad, who was an elite athlete himself, always stressed to me --- the most egregious sin is wasted talent. I believe my father's teachings. That is why I stress the work ethic issue and how work ethic in my opinion determines the difference between relatively equally gifted individuals.

"Luck is when preparation meets opportunity" is a proverb/aphorism that is several centuries old, usually attributed to Seneca, the Roman statesman/philosopher/dramatist. There's a reason it's been used by everyone from basketball coaches to econ profs to rock drummers over the course of the last two millenia.

Why is anyone kicking a tiger in the ass?

If you have the tiger by the tail, should you kick it in the ass?

Steve,

I realize that most of what is said by coach as philosopher was said first by a philosopher. But it is often in the application that we learn the generalizability of the concept.

With respect to Will's question, only if you have a plan of what you are going to do when it turns around! Which is why there IS a public choice problem with the nominal income targeting agenda!!!!

Just don't ever try to engage the guy in discussion in an airport. What a P***k (extraordinarily unpleasant person).

Otto,

When I was coaching a 10 year old travel team years ago, one of my players was Clarence Thomas's nephew. Bob Knight and Clarence Thomas are friends. Our team advanced in the playoffs, and Justice Thomas received a letter from Bob Knight congratulating the boys and encouraging them to keep winning.

I think the Dad's of the players were more impressed than the 10 year old boys, but I think this side of Knight is under-appreciated. He may not be the best with fans, but he has given a lot back to the game --- including young coaches and would-be players at camps and clinics. He is a basketball guy, not a celebrity.

Pete

So, if I just train hard enough, I can play basketball as well as Kobe Bryant?

Nope, you cannot. But if you train hard enough, you might be able to read.

Thanks for the suggestion; upon following your advice, I see the following:

"But among the physically talented, those who work smart and work hard are the ones who make it. And that was the real point of my posts on work ethic."

So in other words, you are stressing the blindingly obvious, while safely posing as socially acceptable (ie, anti-hereditarian). That's helpful, truly.

Just to be clear, my ROTFL above was for Pete's comment, not Mr. Urungus' (who commented at the same time I did).

"But among the physically talented, those who work smart and work hard are the ones who make it. And that was the real point of my posts on work ethic."

So in other words, you are stressing the blindingly obvious, while safely posing as socially acceptable (ie, anti-hereditarian). That's helpful, truly.

Is it intentional that laziness becoming rampant in our society beyond personal vanity (people have all the energy in the world to make themselves pretty) was left out?

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